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BRT_Minutes
14.00 SIMONICS, István Dr. (moderator) opens BRT (MTA SZTAKI)
Before introducing the participants of the Budapest Business Roundtable (BRT), Dr Simonics tells the audience about ACTeN's Scholars Conference in Tampere, where he made a presentation on eLearning. After that he introduces the presenters who will give a general background to the event: Dr. Judit Lendvay, Tünde Kállai and Prof. Edit Halász. They will be followed by presenters of the so called sellers' side, represented by János Ivanyos, Dr. Ildikó Balassa, Márta Hunya; they will tell aboutthe results of IST R&D activities for content developers. On the other side, the buyers'side, representing the users of the new technology, he recognises Dr. Gábor Rácz, Dr. Pál Kaszai, István Szakadát and Miklós Kriván.
14.08 LENDVAY, Judit Dr. (MATISZ)
ACTeN - for the exploitation of multimedia R&D activity
Dr Lendvay introduces ACTeN as a FP5 IST project with the aim of stimulating the European multimedia industry. Eleven organizations from ten countries - the Hungarian Association of Content Industry among them - will co-operate for two years in order to anticipate the needs of business sector and MM industry for innovation.
ACTeN has four work packages:
- Market Monitoring;
- Business Roundtables;
- Scholars Conferences;
- Scouting Workshops.
Judit Lendvay emphasizes that the special topic of the BRT is eLearning. It should raise and answer four questions:
- What are present technology needs of the multimedia business sector?
- What do KA3 results provide in the field of eLearning?
- What future technology needs can be anticipated?
- What recommendations could be formulated for FP6?
14.16 SIMONICS, István Dr.
He calls Tünde Kállai who will give an overview about running EU Programmes.
14.18 KÁLLAI, Tünde (HUNGARICA SPRL.)
Tünde Kállai runs an EU consultancy project office in Brussels. She says that all who wish to be successful in proposals of community programmes should be present in Brussels either personally or by representatives in order to learn proper information about their proposals.
Presently, eEurope 2005 gives a conceptual background to the running community programmes. She says that eEurope is a mid-term action plan, accepted also by the Hungarian government. 20-25 of the community programmes are open also for Hungarian proposals.
She presents an overview of community programmes: Culture 2000, Leonardo da Vinci, eContent and FP6, focussing on the latter two with emphasis on their new elements, especially on the ERA (European Research Area).
14.35 SIMONICS, István Dr.
Dr Simonics requests MATISZ to put all presentations on its website in order to make them available to all interested.
Prof. Edit Halász is getting ready for her presentation.
14.36 Prof. HALÁSZ, Edit (Budapest Technical and Economic University)
Prof. HALÁSZ is greeting the participants of the "rectangular" roundtable.She was asking herself , why we are here now. The motivation is: business interest.She presents two IST projects, which are under her management; both aim at disseminating the results of R&D activities.
First is INFOBRIDGE (formerly INFOWIN) with two services:
- a multilingual website offering news, informing about the results of EU projects also in Hungarian
- publications informing about the results of EU projects also in Hungarian
Second is EMERGE which is also an IST Accompanying Measure Project. She highlights two elements:
- EMERGE established Liaison Groups with the selected, already running IST projects in order to join them if they were open,
- EMERGE organized dedicated IST sessions on EMERGE-relevant projects within popular regional and international conferences especially in CEEC-NAS countries.
She also mentioned the CANDLE project in the field of distance education.She posed the question: is our present knowledge in making proposals sufficient for FP6?The answer is: no!Projects in FP6 will be much larger than today's projects in favour of efficiency. This is why in future the project team must have more people with different special abilities and know-how.She summarizes: there is still much work to be done!
14.50 SIMONICS, István Dr.
Dr Simonics gives the word to Éva Feuer in the audience. |
14.51 FEUER, Éva (MTA SZTAKI)
She speaks about IDEALIST, which is a FP5
Accompanying Measure Project with the aim of making partnering easier and
helping proposers in learning more about IST programmes. She runs a training
office in MTA SZTAKI with the support of Ministry of
Education.
www.ideal-ist.net
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14.53 SIMONICS, István Dr.
János Ivanyos will be the next speaker.
14.54 IVANYOS, János (Memolux Ltd.)
Mr Ivanyos
speaks about MEDIA - ISF (Media Information Sans Frontieres), a
FP5 Accompanying Measure Project in KA2, in the field of eBusiness. It
established a new virtual business information network for SME business
requirements providing B2B and B2C relations. A three level
multilingual information service helps participants of the network:
- content development
- content dissemination
- content exploitation
The most
significant implementation of the principal information services is
organised around the specific digital content of EU enlargement. The
source of content development is a common content pool and the original
content items are translated into all selected languages; they
are not simple translations.
www.euractiv.com
www.bruxinfo.hu
15.04 BALASSA, Ildikó Dr. (SZÁMALK Training Co.)
Ildikó
Balassa represents the SCALE programme which is a FP5 Project in KA3 in
which six countries participate. In the project an internet-based
intelligent tool to Support Collaborative Argumentation-based LEarning
in secondary schools is being developed.
She says that the project focuses
on the specification, design and implementation of an internet-based
software tool (DREW) to support argumentation-based collaborative
learning at secondary schools. The software will be prototyped in an
iterative process and tested within three schools in each of the six
countries. Its final version will be available for free from February
2003 on a pedagogical website (www.euroscale.net).
The aims of the software are:
- to teach and to improve skills of argumentation, to fix and to evaluate pros and contras in the debate,
- to help the spread of argumentation as one of the tools of training and teaching.
Several methodological tasks are added to the developing activity, like
- analysing teaching documents : how they adopt argumentation as method of training and teaching,
- analysing to what extent teachers and pupils are open for debates in different countries.
15.15 SIMONICS, István Dr.
Before the break Márta Hunya will introduce the CELEBRATE programme.
15.16 HUNYA, Márta (Educatio Co.)
There is no
significant Learning Management System (LMS) in use in Hungary
presently. One of the aims of the CELEBRATE (Context ELEarning with
BRoAdband TEchnologies) programme is to develop one.
CELEBRATE is
a FP5 IST Demonstration Project with the participation of 22 partners
from 10 countries since June 2002 with a duration of 30 months.
Youngsters between 9-16 years are targeted, in Hungary 14-16 year old
youngsters because broadband technology is available more widely at
secondary schools.
The aim of
the programme is to create a new internet-based pedagogical model which
is modern and exploits the co-operation of students. It will develop
bi-lingual multimedia eLearning materials to an amount of 3-5000
lesson-hours in English and in the language of the participating
countries. These can be edited, reused; they consist of modules
and include images, video, animation, interactive tasks and
common activities. They can be used also for individual learning. Text
will be as little as necessary.
Math, physics, chemistry and biology have been selected by the Hungarian developing team as school subjects.
The outcome will not be fixed but
can be tailored to the requirements of the teachers. They will also be
trained to edit eLearning materials and to develop their own exciting
and spectacular multimedia presentations. This is a kind of learning
process which is the integral part of the project as well as tests and
dissemination.
CELEBRATE focuses on the activity of students as well as on interactivity.
Marta Hunya emphasizes that it is
a demonstration project and will not create something final and fixed.
Its aim is to teach actors of public education, especially teachers for
courseware development, the methods of application and to
convince them to use these modern tools.
15.24 SIMONICS, István Dr.
We have come
to the end of BRT's first part. We have been alking about practical
examples of FP4 and FP5, we were informed about the results of several
R&D activities. All these will be discussed after the break.
Is there anybody who has a comment?
15.25 KOMENCZY, Bertalan (Eszterházy Károly Teacher Training College)
How many
courses will be involved in maths, physics, chemistry and biology
courseware development? How will materials be segmented?
15.26 HUNYA, Márta
It is not the
aim to develop the eLearning materials for complete courses. We seek
enthusiastic teachers who will create digital eLearning materials for
certain lessons which aid at least 15 and not more than 45 minute
long activity.
15. 27 KÁLLAI, Tünde
Which Learning Management System will be used in testing?
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15.28 HUNYA, Márta
The development of the Learning Management System is part of the programme. It will take about one and a half year to develop this sytem. After testing it will be available tothe teachers.
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15. 28 BORSÓDI, Donát (Profi-Media Ltd.)
As multimedia
developer, I would like to know if these developments are for sale and
how much will they cost? Which elements of the developments will be
available in order to avoid parallel developments?
15.30 BALASSA, Ildikó
The whole software will be available for free with all its elements.
15.30 HUNYA, Márta
The further
benefit of the project is that by the end of the programme teachers,
students and schools involved will learn a new model of education, a
new tool of editing. They will be able to use digital materials during
lessons and their attitude will be changed. Teachers will be there for
courseware development and they can be tutors in the training of
other teachers in the future.
15.35 SIMONICS, István Dr.
He cancels the break since the discussion is very intense.
15.35 FORGÓ, Sándor (Eszterházy Károly Teacher Training College)
There are
many talented teachers who are good in using traditional methods. Will
they be able to follow this new pedagogical model?
In teacher training colleges there
is a good tradition of courseware development. This means that parallel
developments might occur. In order to avoid these, new projects should
be built in teacher training as early as possible.
15.38 KRIVÁN, Miklós (Matáv)
The training
centre of Matáv is highly interested in the SCALE project
because it could be efficiently used in the training of salesmen.
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15.39 Gerhard Wagner
(Verband für Informationswirtschaft)
Multimedia production is quite
costly. If public sector thinks that it is too expensive for schools, it should
be subsidized. Small markets can not afford to be split into a public and into a
private one. Public-private partnership is more efficient.
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15.40 KRIVÁN, Miklós
Why are
eLearning materials developed by teachers, why not by students?
eLearning is a student-orientated approach! An interactive learning
environment is needed in which student decides what textbook he will
use!
14.41 HUNYA, Márta
We must concentrate the resources. In a large part of Hungary, schools are still not
able to receive new technology,
teachers still do not know how to use multimedia tools in lessons, how
to use internet, neither have they eLearning materials to use. Those
schools will be selected which do qualify for co-operationin this
respect.
Many more syllabi are available
for individual learning. It is easier to develop these syllabi into
eLearning material than traditional ones for classes.
Students need not choose syllabi
on the basis of lessons because everyone would prefer something else,
and teachers would be unable to co-ordinate them. Student can
choose them when she/he returns home.
15.42 RÁCZ, Gábor Dr. (National Textbook Publishing Co.)
It is known that there is a digital public education government programme
in which about 4500 primary schools and 1500 secondary schools will be
involved with their teachers and pupils. In all these schools, the
technical conditions must be ensured for the efficient reception of
this government programme: public education is for all!
When is a syllabus digital? The syllabus is digital if there is
a computer tool in its background. The syllabus is digital if I start
to use these computer tools: I stop, I cut, I edit … It is not
multimedia what is decisive.
What about interactivity?! Presently, there is presentation of
the lessons, not interactivity. If lessons are stored in the computer,
that is another school-type. Is it a requirement? Of course, it is. We
will have to switch. We think that interactivity is present for the
student in the individual, supplementary learning as well as in closing
up and elite-training. Its wide presence with equal chance for
everybody is hardly conceivable throughout public education.
What are the future challenges?
- There is a need to change social demands:
we have to switch to another system and style of education; the
attitude of many hundred thousand teachers should be changed in
training sessions. It is a long-term programme and the development of
digital syllabi is not enough by itself.
- A syllabus will be needed with a flexible school-system behind it and government should make it clear what to learn, backed up bygraduation requirements.
There is a
need for a "creative" teacher. The "creative" teacher is able to create
a syllabus and able to put together the syllabus from its parts. He is
doing the same now, but he puts together the syllabus in his mind, in
books, in library and he speaks about it. In the new model, he uses
databases, multimedia elements to put together the multimedia
presentation, to put together an eLearning lesson.
Also pupils
must change as they are generally not motivated enough and not
interested enough in the curriculum. If many of them are not motivated
enough, the result will be the decrease of standards.
A digital
programme for public education for all is acceptable. However,
experiments should also be allowed as they often offer new
methods.
15.59 KASZAI, Pál Dr. (Synergon Co.)
Synergon has
developed its own training management system: PHOENIX. It offers three
kinds of syllabi: the text-oriented eBook; interactive syllabi; 3D
training. These syllabi are supported by standards helping to put them
from one Learning Management System to another. More precisely, these
are not exactly standards rather recommendations.
He introduces the Shared Concept Object Reference Model (SCORM) and its use in courseware development.
Speaking about the workflow, he gives the definition of
- content writing,
- content development,
- content providing and
- courseware development.
16.13 SZAKADÁT, István Dr. (Axelero Co.)
Edit
Halász who was the third speaker of this meeting said that there
is still much work to be done. István Szakadát likes to
differ and thinks that the work has not started yet.
eLearning is one small part of content development. He says that it is still too early to speak about eLearning.
What aspects should be concerned?
- eLearning materials should be reusable. They must consist of elements and these elements should be fit several syllabi.
- eLearning materials should
be easily managed. It means that Learning Management Systems must be
easy to handle, also for those who are not IT experts.
- eLearning materials should consist of modules
- The problem of the communication system should be taken more seriously in future.
- A business model for courseware development should be drawn.
- We have to rethink the
concept of interactivity. Interactivity and being online offer new
dimensions of working in communities, working in groups.
16.26 KRIVÁN, Miklós (Matáv Co.)
Fourty per cent of Matáv's internal training is eLearning based. It faces many problems:
- There is a lack of standards.
- Hardware and software environments differ from each other.
- The supply of courseware developing tools is not sufficient.
- There is a refusal from students' side.
- There is a refusal also from teachers' side.
16.35 BORSÓDI, Donát (Profi-Media Ltd.)
On the basic level there are of course standards like XML. As to this, we must insist on basic standards, if possible.
16.37 SIMONICS, István Dr.
We talked a lot about how to get good ideas for proposals. We have
proposals for partnering, we have started a dialogue between the
SchoolNet programme and the Eszterházy Károly Teacher
Training College. Is there anything to add to this?
16.38 KOMENCZY, Bertalan
It was
mentioned that interactivity is not present in the lessons. He
agrees that there is a small amount of "hightech" interactivity in the
lessons but he thinks that "lowtech" interactivity is of course present
in the form of teachers' questions and eye-contacts. "Hightech" and
"lowtech" should complement each other in eLearning. Learning is
basically a "lowtech" activity.
Also traditional lessons are put
together from elements and this process is determined largely by the
"eye-contacts". This might be a model for eLearning.
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16.40 NAGYGYÖRGY, Imre (Matáv)
eLearning is similar as eBusiness.
It must be practiced not read and talked about.If it is practiced there is no
waste of money because practicing is part of the learning process. It must be
practiced and the sooner we start a standard will be available.
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16.44 FORGÓ, Sándor
eLearning developers are terrorized by technical parameters.
In public
education, these new applications are generally taught by IT teachers.
The result is that pupils can use the word-processing software but can
not write a CV because the IT teacher is not enough sophisticated in
grammar. The pupil will not be able to put together a publication
since the IT teacher is lacking this skill.
16.45 KÁLLAI, Tünde
We have to develop an eLearning syllabus which helps virtual co-operation and trains proposers to make a proposal.
16.48 SIMONICS, István Dr.
He closes the
BRT. He thanks the contributors for the co-operation and MATISZ for the
organization. He again suggests to put presentations on MATISZ's
website.
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